I'm going to pick up
3 - 30 amp relays (low, high, and fog).
3 - breakers, one for each. What I can't seem to find out is what amperage the breakers should be. In addition should I fuse link the Power sources to the circuit breakers?
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I'm thinking I'm going to rewire my headlights this weekend (in addition to tracking down my fan problem).
I'm going to pick up 3 - 30 amp relays (low, high, and fog). 3 - breakers, one for each. What I can't seem to find out is what amperage the breakers should be. In addition should I fuse link the Power sources to the circuit breakers?
Sean "Now the proud owner of a daily driver" Weijand
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I personally just used 15amp fuses on my cars..
With the '96 and '89 i just went from the battery terminal, to a fuse to the relay.. Since the relays are right there next to the battery on the '91 went from the Battery to a AGU fuse (50 amp?) to another fuse block that then went to the relays.. You did see that setup up right?? I remember taking my '91 to your place once for some reason?? Also i would surgest going to the wrecker, unless you have a pair, of 9006 and 9005 bulbs that are no good.. But trying to explain `They were already broken' to them may not work to well Also if you can find some Dual 87 relays.. i would DIFFERENTLY suggest going that route..
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Not sure what you mean by dual 87 relays? Do you mean SPDT? (87 & 87a terminals). I like the plug and play idea, so I will be stopping by a wreckers. If I
run a 50 amp fuse is it big enough to run both high and low at the same time?
Sean "Now the proud owner of a daily driver" Weijand
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Terminal 30 on a relay is Common
Terminal 87A is Closed Terminal 87 is Open There are relays out there that have two 87 terminals (SPST?) So one terminal can go to the right headlight, the other to the left.. to me, it just makes for a semi cleaner, more professional, Way of doing it when you have to power two items under one relay.. 50amps good for 720 watts of power.. and being that both low beams and Highbeams are under 10amps each (for Pair of Filaments IE both lows) 50 amp should more or less be over kill.. and are you gonna be trying to wire it so the lows stay on when the highs are on?? (SPDT comes in handy there, depending how you want to hook it up) The BEST route would be to fuse each Filament separately (IE 6 fuses all together) kinda like BMW and a few other cars least if you have a short on one side, you can still have light coming from the other side instead of, well no light..
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I understand. Definitely two 87 terminals would be cleaner than the splice I was going to do.
I would like to run both High and lows at the same time when the highs are switched just have to work out the wiring. Can I run the fuses on the load side of the relays? Or is that an electrical no-no? If I can then a six fuse arrangement would be sweet.
Sean "Now the proud owner of a daily driver" Weijand
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So what i'll do is run SPST for the low beams and a DPST for the high beams with the lows run through one pole and the highs through the other. Now if I
can fuse after the relay (safely) then i'll run a nice six fuse, fuse block and fuse each filament.
I'll add in a 50 amp fuse before the whole mess in case of a crazy meltdown and everything will be sweet. I hope that makes sense.
Sean "Now the proud owner of a daily driver" Weijand
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4 Relays total would be needed, You can either get Pigtails or my perfered method the Plug housing and Terminals (i know a few electronic stores have them,
both ways)
I wish i knew how to Mspaint well enough to draw up something.. YES you can do it basiclly how i have had it in my '91 (even thou i just used a single fuse for each pair of filament) HECK if you can find one of them there Relay holding devices... Imagine how clean it would look.. Also KMS tools (Car parts section?) had 6 gang Hella fuse blocks awhile ago (a decent size box of them) ??? and i woudl use a switching Relay for turning on the lows with highs, Headlight switch to 87a Power source (low beam?) to 87 and send 30 to the low beam relays 86 85 would go to ground 86 to high beam (Before or after the relay) OR you can forget that way.. and just 30 to power, and 87 to Low beam relays 86
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I'll see about drawing of something, taking a photo and `uploading' it.. :S
I still have to make up a Schematic for this 1.8T car i just got running today.. (Heh still gotta figure out about a CEL and well OBD connector But it ran.. and a turbo just spining with no plumping doesn't sound THAT bad
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Good news is I've got a meeting at a customers in PoCo tomorrow at 11:00 so I will stop by KMS Tools and hope they still have the fuse holders. I'm
thinking it should come together really nicely especially if I can find a DPST relay.
Sean "Now the proud owner of a daily driver" Weijand
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The fuse blocks that i seen at KMS looked like these ones
and i'm shure they don't have something like this thou..
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Okay got the fuse block but had to go to Costco after work so I have to pick up the balance of the parts tomorrow a.m. Hopefully will have fully functional
lighting tomorrow. Then I don't have to pull a Cinderella and get home before dark.
Sean "Now the proud owner of a daily driver" Weijand
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Here's the Circuit Breaker, Relay, Fuse black package. I'm going to install it on the passenger side where the old air filter housing used to be.
It's going in tomorrow. Right now I'm not going to fuse all the lights separate but i may do that in the future, just a case of adding in some
splicing.
Sean "Now the proud owner of a daily driver" Weijand
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Brain Fart...
I'm not seeing things i thought i seen either way.. I would use the one relay that is surpose to turn on the low beams with the high beams to turn on the low beam relay... instead of havign it power the low beams itself.. But that's just me.. Also you can use a Diode to do the same job.. since you are using relays to power the Headlights.. a simple 1Amp diode would be more then enough to turn on the low beam relay...
"Turning seems to be a lost form."
"you shouldn't drive faster than your guardian angel can fly"
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I used MS paint.. so don't be knocking them :P Also it's just to give an idea....
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I understand the use of the diode (now) though I had no experience with it before. That seems a bit more elegant than the splitting of the high beam signal to
the two relay coils as I have set out to do.
I can't make out what you were doing with your second diagram though.
Sean "Now the proud owner of a daily driver" Weijand
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Allright I'm finished! Almost!
I did run out of wire so I couldn't wire in the last fog lamp and I need to get a connector with a larger hole so I can move the power wire from the battery to solenoid connector. Once I have the last fog lamp in I will wire tie everything to clean it up a bit. Here's a pic. Now the only problem I have is when I turn on the lights I get nothing. but when i Push the MFS to what should be high beams I get low beams, When I pull the MFS which should flash high beams I get high beams. I will be pulling the switches this week and see what crazyness was done with the wiring.
Sean "Now the proud owner of a daily driver" Weijand
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See, I go away on holidays and you ask a question that I can answer. On my truck, I have lights coming on when others go out and all kinds of stupid things
that tickle my fancy.
Looks like I am to late, but I have all kinds of schematics on my web-page. Diode's are the best way to make the low's stay on with the hi's. Low and hi beam schematic: Low stay on with hi's schematic: As for your current wiring problem, sounds like some wires are crossed. Chris B |
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Did the lights work correctly Before you started this??
Also Did you do way with the DRL module? (not just unpluged it, got the By-passing plug?? ) Or least red necked it by cutting the `ignition' feed to it??
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The lights never switched correctly. I suspect that when the new bulbs started bumping against the circuit breaker someone wired the lows to the highs hoping
that circuit could handle the higher wattage.
So I think Chris is probably right once I pull the switches out I should find some cross wiring going on. I haven't installed the bypass plug yet as i didn't know where it was on Sunday and now that I know I didn't have time tonight as I popped over the boarder for some Benzina (1.24 per litre for 92 Chevron). I will do that tomorrow. Chris: I think i will add in a diode after I saw Kevin's diagram. It will leave an open relay but I'm sure I can find a use for it.
Sean "Now the proud owner of a daily driver" Weijand
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Mind you.. if the Day time Lights don't/didn't work.... then the odds of having to use the by-pass plug is very little.. Since then it won't turn
on the highs at full intenisty...
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